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Does California Need Proposition 15, the Gun Registration Initiative?
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Does California Need Proposition 15, the Gun Registration Initiative?
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Created Date
September 29th, 1982
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In this debate of the Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1982, Victor Palmieri speaks for the act and Richard Rainey against. The debate follows this format: Palmieri speaks for 10 minutes, then Rainey for 10 minutes, followed by 4 minutes for rebuttal by each speaker, then questions from the floor are entertained. Palmieri, an ambassador at large, was US coordinator for Refugee Affairs in 1980
he lead the campaign to enact the Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1982. Rainey was sheriff of Contra Costa County, California, in 1982.Additional Descriptive Notes: Program begins (00:00), Palmieri speaks (02:14), Rainey speaks (12:46), Palmieri rebuts (23:39), Rainey rebuts (28:00), question and answer session begins (33:07)
he lead the campaign to enact the Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1982. Rainey was sheriff of Contra Costa County, California, in 1982.Additional Descriptive Notes: Program begins (00:00), Palmieri speaks (02:14), Rainey speaks (12:46), Palmieri rebuts (23:39), Rainey rebuts (28:00), question and answer session begins (33:07)
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California Audiovisual Preservation Project Item: "Does California Need Proposition 15, the Gun Registration Initiative?" : https://archive.org/details/csth_000043 Transcript for file: format=VBR+MP3&ignore=csth_000043_a_access.mp3 00:00:00 go to jail legislation today's initiative Ecco's pizza that legislation to the lively how to speakers on the debate herb people committed to their positions Contra Costa County maybe familiar to you all as the man in the commercials against the handgun Violence Prevention Act Medford Oregon is matcha green white hair Golden Gate University has been fighting 00:00:30 incline professionally ever since he's been with Coco County Sheriff Coroner department 18 years serving virtually every position on his way up to the present job job what is running the entire Department today a picture for NYS responsible for money enforcement in Bradford County area that includes Nelly 200 thousand people spend a year Sears in numerous public service in Chicago has 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00:04:00 Eagle Creek gun handgun concealable weapons streets of Arc Bar community half a million a year coming into this state adding to an existing pool of 56 Michigan 30000 handgun price State last year 1300 handgun homicide side effects of a hundred and seventy five percent in this state are the last 4 years San Francisco alone 2010 gonna fall street style 00:04:35 last year in Los Angeles it was literally safer to Ben in northern mi the troubles in 1972 Midwest City the city in any Supervisor district in Los Angeles 1980 chances of being shot with a handgun the higher than they were northern 3200 Capital faces by the Los Angeles time zone study ladies and gentlemen we have a true prices New York City city in our state is part of the national crisis 00:05:10 removing rapidly 2 status in arm can something like Beirut because these handgun concealable weapons in easy access to juvenile do criminals to mental defective to everyone who would who would apps for a predatory lifestyle who would pray pray on you your family your friends your children preferences work has this instrument of power and domination 00:05:45 in their hands the price of gasoline that's the problem proposition 15 we feel is a balanced irrational in a modest answer but effective answer boat in the short term term and long term damage of handgun bio what is a do existing registration laws which are full of Leupold and lack any effect infected penalties incomprehensive the only cover that have a gun transactions Saxon Math extensions to be comprehensive and attaches a minimum 00:06:20 minimum mandatory 6 month penalty for carrying a gun registered handgun on the street right now it's a felony to carry brass knuckles misdemeanor concealed handgun Street 2nd 2nd limits the number of handguns circulation to those registered under the provisions of the what that means is Oliver handguns become illegal to factor register is exactly the point Days Inn have to take the risk 00:06:55 6 month mens minimum mandatory sentence for carrying an unregistered handgun text home gotta protect the rights of a citizen to feel it important have a gun in the home but it for the first time attach a straw strong minimum mandatory sentence tall people carrying handgun with virtual into the on the streets today because for arresting officer misdemeanor penalty likely to result in a quick relief second and third time with small fine 00:07:30 fine as it is a present what doesn to do the taxpayers money in fact it save the taxpayers money Justin logger financed by General pack revenue would be financed by registration fees doesn't vertrees Elite resources it cost to trade resources to hear about Attorney General's report how to report internal memo talking about it was politically motivated turn down by the legislative analyst in the world finance for the bath the ballot measure best house shot for home theater near general so call reports 00:08:05 please in German the campaign movie campaign detecting Stanton firearms is really becoming an exercise in fear and Miss Representation for the California border you have a group of people represented by the leadership of the NRA manufactures in finale of shift in about a million dollars state use on television in the last month 00:08:40 small group of people seeking to convince California set this major will not be affected the costly beaux art totally fall fall after the day goes into motion dancing actor stop a Half Men handguns coming into the space will say the taxpayers money with even without reference to the indirect cost hospitalization welfare medical public Austin Bob in the tremendous flood of handgun injuries and deaths 00:09:15 deafness State who suggested if it's so good easy to say who's against you have the leadership of the National Rifle Rifle Association which four years is preached Americans in Alta California Anne steps to restrain handguns Stepford confiscation the use that argument believe it or not I use an argument to lobby against restraint on tracer chemicals in exposes trace bomb closest I use that argument is the first step toward confiscation 00:09:50 even to stop if they tried very hard to stop the new law to just went into effect im putting restrictions on the ceiling sailing manufacture of the temple on bullet penetrate a police officer black jacket Jackie even know everyone for spinach in Siena State Forest even killed bill build your own food in 3 parts of Destruction weapons used in private browsing the police officer Troy community Return of the gun lobby 00:10:25 so the question whos against it is easy easy and their motives are clear and there there their motive of press operator multiplayer to confuse people Fairfield from what is after all balanced middle way to Prohibition is not a band does after speak on what could be more rational way finally I'm trying to bring some sanity the situation in California 00:11:00 porn porn is true I buy parts in Kona coalition NSYNC this day publicans Democrat white black you have Monfort sprint big city police chief you have district in district attorney San Francisco and Los Angeles John van de Kamp are los mas Joe McNamara chief 00:11:35 San Jose Jack Norton police chiefs Association Association people who have been in law enforcement Palmer live dealing with the problems of Street Pendleton Street crime virus kings political position political future because because top 15 rappers NC rational balanced approach work in Massachusetts registration in one year penalty is working everything free porn country that is enacted controller 00:12:10 gun homicide 50 times what they are in the in the stars diction John Hughes behind behind the myths and the fear city of Perry very rational approach for California thank you speaking against a handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1982 sherpa lining of Contra Costa County 00:12:45 thank you very much ladies and gentlemen it's a great honor for me to be here before you today have a professional lawn forcement officer to discuss the seriousness proposition 15 three ways that we can handle control people can handguns we can tell them that they must have guns what we can let the people choose I submit to you that I la biting Citizens United 00:13:20 United States should have that right to choose planets in the the handgun in Michigan indicated handguns only cause tragedy service Dallas 1.3 million Californians defend themselves with handguns and 12 million Americans throughout the nation also have had the opportunity to defendant handguns in society were criminals will always be able to handguns is a manifestly unjust deprive Lobby 00:13:55 citizens the right to have guns if they sell choose use that's exactly what propositions 15 map 2000 years ago Roman statesman sand good to people is the highest law is today proposition 15 proponents indicate that the good and the people is the heart of a proposition vision for high minded intent 00:14:30 Effects of population 15 is that is not for the people proposition 215 will adversely affect a great number of a good law abiding citizens the most disturbing aspect of proposition 15 is it there is one class people that will not affect whatsoever class syndicate the main objective proposition 15 criminals to stop Street crime 00:15:05 how would you describe is an individual that has been convicted of a crime talking about primer not talking about a traffic offense serious crime I'm a felony indicates that any individual who has been convicted of a felony does not have the right to possess not conceal to possess handgun does Madison felony under pops 00:15:40 proposition 15 cine de carry a concealed unregistered handgun Tony misdemeanor to carry a concealed concealed registered handgun anchorman register their guns and then it still a misdemeanor concealed I have support in the past and I will continue to support legit legislation which will make it a felony for anyone to carry a concealed concealed weapon without a permit to do so much 00:16:15 stronger than proposition 15 and I believe that get stuck on the criminals population 15 is not on the criminals is stuff on the individual good honest mob.in Tennessee I will continue can you disappoint legislation is going to be on criminals believe it that is the area that we have to concentrate trade on the main point a proposition 15 respones any handgun 00:16:50 not registered by November 2nd of 1983 is it legal citizens from registering more than one handgun which is been purchased between the first of January 1982 and April 30th of 1983 horses persons moving to California after November 2nd 1983 83 to get rid of their hand guns in 45 days porcelain tile over 20 years and there is Abes absolutely nothing in proposition 15 going to have 00:17:25 any effect on crime is absolutely nothing definition for that will be turtles forever instead it seems to me that this propositions is a knot the good mod Tennyson Bonita de initiative redo Street crime by requiring registration handguns stop street crime it's already a felony for persons been convicted of a felony 00:18:00 handgun concealed stop does a man for continuing to commit street crimes why should we believe that a lesser penalty for carrying carrying a concealed unregistered handgun is going to stop them from committing crime crimes do you want to really stop crime putting the the people in jail and you know that that's working now 00:18:35 now state of California has reduced crime rate this year for the first time you know why that happening because you is good citizens have told your legislators in tolls told the people in power that you're tired of crime do you want something done about and doing that now the judges are starting to put people behind bar the street Tony can't commit crimes locking up the criminals in June of this year you pass proposition 8 00:19:10 which is top on criminals something that people are being taken off taken off the street is working and it's not working because we took handguns away from good on a citizens it's working because we're getting tough on criminals and that's the area should be working in the subject of Law Enforcement I would like to play 2.3 pink claims made by the proposition 15 steam clean a porcelain is supporting properties 00:19:45 synapse one retired sheriff disappointing 515 we have 50 Sheriff 5158 interstate state of California come out very strongly in opposition to propositions 15 is working Sheriff's 13 CCM police siren sporting proposition 15 1597 chief of police in the state of California have come out come out against Proposition 15 also the California State cheer Association 00:20:20 California Pizza Kitchen which represents peace and Jerry insure a strap States embossed taken official positions against Proposition 50 15 is obvious doing a casual observer Atlanta forcement doesn't support proposition 15 working on force Minaj officers don't want to see this law passed Maino that will make their job job more difficult they know that will create a gigantic black mark market and open up a whole new area for organized crime 00:20:55 the prices of handguns will go out of sight increased grease 2 .4 only the wealthy will be able to afford to buy a handgun where is the evidence which would support passage knobset drastic proposal is proposition 15 correlation between the number of handguns and violence insta support claim in a two and a half years beer study title weapons prime and violence in America commissioned by the United States 00:21:30 States Department of Justice written by professors James Righton Peter Rossi concluded that there is little or no conclusive or even suggestive evidence to show that gun ownership I'm on the population of the whole is is Perse an important cause violence Tulsa like to .2 Lodge in Massachusetts which indicator are working well Massachusetts is not similar at all 00:22:05 provides only for mandatory sentence for a person turning on lights licensed weapon does it say anything about a freeze or requirement for registration ration in fact the FBI Uniform Crime Reports review Boston Mass Massachusetts is the nations most violent big city city over 500 thousand population with a violent crime rate of over 2000 for every hundred thousand population now thats 20 percent higher than the City of Oakland facticity which has a handgun laws 00:22:40 proposition 15 Washington DC has had gun related violence which has increased 88 percent chance at La Quinta affect Washington DC police chief priest Turner is cote de Seine gun laws have had absolutely no effect on the bility to keep guns out of hands criminals we need to vote no on proposition 15 we need to know to make sure that we can't 00:23:15 we continue to have a choice please don't know on proposition 15 it wont stop I know I'm here 4 minutes funny First Premier Inn and Suites San Fran again please get your questions in NY questions for Siri I submit to you anyway to deny the correlation between the number concealable Lisa Webb community in the incidence of violence windows 00:23:50 does weapons still thinks babies come from storks overwhelming it has been overwhelming to 5 Presidential Commission that have studied YouTube violence Island in our communities every one of them in the last 20 years has wreck is recommended stronger laws in our body proposition 15 famous true of the other Commission sponsored by near Wilson in San Diego their conclusions exactly the same 00:24:25 the correlation relationship be disproved statistics play and you heard West Brighton Rock couldn't they couldn't prove it test ically in fact every group that has looked at it carefully over the past few years have the data file concealable handgun Street Rye you hear about reduce crime rate in California but that isn't gun violence gunblast can you hear about increased crime rate in Boston 00:25:00 incense the Massachusetts law gunblast in fact gun violence is going up in California is going down in Massachusetts passage it's been a 55 percent reduction gun homicide in Boston Massachusetts alcohol based on the two years 2 year study made by Northeastern University which they are updating at this moment show the same Tran who is law enforcement big city police chief search for the biggest 00:25:35 County in life in California 2013 biggest county in California for the people who are in Lockport sportsman together with turning from Los Angeles to San Francisco represent 20 times the population of the mostly rural Sheriff my phone has mention does being supportive the opposition the Los Angeles Chamber commerce in the sand americanas two groups in extremely conservative intake installation 00:26:10 proposition that both proposition 15 after studying very carefully and after having a baby through the committee State Bar of California George Pappas Asian 1530 wanna I wanna talk about the legal issues should wear with you State Bar study to carefully and has endorsed will be sure of Zelda voting picture or something similar 00:26:45 do the people in Ohio law I don't think you can you can find a better statement the net of of a democratic principle why is it then why is it I put it to you does who are against top 15 have consistently been against every man the manager at Woodstock handgun Violence every measure even know that would protect the police is that a good to the people only 5 percent of arrested violin 00:27:20 arrest of those arrested for violent crimes go to criminal conviction bats wife having a felony characterization 4 the opposition of a strong doesn't do you know any good do you have to reach that person on the street sprint carry a concealed weapon 4202 your kid are your parents for your friend and that's what proposition 215 is all about thank you Farmington Missouri for training 00:27:55 surprisingly enough I have to agree with this from Rand spoken to hear I agree that we have to do something about people who are carrying concealed weapons illegally proposition 50 is not going to do that what will do that is for us to go to Sacramento and price try to make sure that we get legislation which will make it a felony with mandatory 00:28:30 Tori sentences to carry a concealed weapon without a permit by anyone and I would say that I would be happy to get together with Mr pawn America on November after this initiative defeated and work with him to go to Sacramento new line in force is it also indicated that mean the people that are backing Venice opposition to proposition 15 are the people that are against many laws that are being passed which would be a text peace officers 00:29:05 eyes indicate do you that I am NOT a member of the gun law gun lobby online Portman Oscar professional on porcelain officer number professional organizations and that's what we do we go to Sacramento to make sure sure that we can get good strong Mos Def going to Punta Cana criminals way and we work every year to make sure that we do that Tony dish into going to Sacramento we have to make sure that we elect people who people who are going to pass laws proposition 15 is not going to have 00:29:40 have any effect on the brain divisor virtually no different laws we are ready have I submit to you that we can we can work with the lies we have and we can't open up does logic need to be to find out and we can put away and that's not going to affect you as the honest on a citizen that's not going to take the guns away from you 99.6 6 percent hand guns used in California are are not used criminally only four tenths of 1 percent 00:30:15 handguns are used in violent crimes in Granbury small amount to what were talking about proposition 15 affecting the entire population of the state of California possibly bring any good on a citizens and criminals because they mean register their guns forcing want to go out and follow up on those kinds of complaints when nations be working on a person who is going to be burned a rise in your home who is going to be 00:30:50 going to be holding up the stores who is going to be involved in those kinds of activities why would like to say something about the bigs City Chiefs as opposed Westport West Portal world County Sheriff's submit to you do you get a sheriff is much more in tune with what's happening County voted on to stay in office please teacher appointed by the City Council and I would say to you do you did John Duffy the Sheraton San Diego County I don't think that's too rough 00:31:25 Glenn Dyer Alameda County that's not what I would Colorado Bob winners the sheriff in Santa Clara County I wouldn't say that's really cool very strongly opposed to proposition 15 rank and file in every one of those large cities that has been posted are also in opposition to proposition 50 so I think that you can see that police officers throughout the state very very few exceptions are opposing proposition 15 that's because 00:32:00 cuz they know it's not going to stop Washington Florida is the president of the Commonwealth Club of California Richard Engel steel thank you Maryland back summer quarterly German one of our best filling in for vacationing judge Ira Brown who will snow complete jizz term is quarterly German to be succeeded on Friday by Nelly 00:32:35 McCarter president of the Pacific School of Religion Victor Palmyra repairman Californians again street crime in Kansas concealed weapons hands the Honorable Richard Rainey sure if you're going to die Augusta County if you will return to the electron we will proceed with C? question and answer. And I will try to alternate between Newton the best of my ability in suffering these many many cards in a Benson submit the first question for Mr 00:33:10 Palmyra cost of administering this system be reimbursed internally by registration fees what will be the fee hand what will be the cost is the 800 new employees at Acosta 250 million affair estimate Ave implementing prop 15 North Santa Fe reflections message be used in the bank bites own terms 00:33:45 requires that the mystery part Crosby finance through registration fees are not now now sports where to buy general text to renew the highest cost in land for any registration 535 studies in California registration cost somewhere by 2/3 that the the estimate estimate instead this will be done around $67 the figures in eternity General de moda en forma memo never release 00:34:20 leave the gun Lobby have no relationship anything there's no finger painting requirements for FBI check requirements is there fingers are based on the series does would be required in fact all you need is a driver drivers license for birth certificate to prove identity tell your health Boston indie rokkers say about 800 people does R figment of someone's political magination they are not part of the reality is proposition mission 00:34:55
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Speaker: Palmieri, Victor H.
Speaker: Rainey, Richard
Performer: Commonwealth Club of California
Speaker: Palmieri, Victor H.
Speaker: Rainey, Richard
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